FBCWest 373 | Sins by a Brother and Forgiveness
Recorded On: 02/09/2020
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and truth.”
“I Will Celebrate”
Praise and Worship
SCRIPTURE READING – Psalm 108:1 - 5
“All Because of Jesus”
“Just Say Jesus”
“Stop the World”
Giving of Selves and Our Offerings
SPECIAL MUSIC – By Pru Hungate
Proclamation of the Word
Message by Pastor Joe
“The Life and Ministry of Jesus The Messiah”
“Sins by a Brother and Forgiveness”
PRAYER TIME / Time of Reflection
Acknowledgements and Announcements
Benediction “Won’t Stop Now”
Teaching on forgiving and failure to do so
Matthew 18:15 "If your brother sins2, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
Matthew 18:16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Matthew 18:17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." Forgiveness
Matthew 18:21 Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
Matthew 18:22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:23 "For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves.
Matthew 18:24 "When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him 3ten thousand talents was brought to him.
Matthew 18:25 "But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.
Matthew 18:26 "So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, `Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.'
Matthew 18:27 "And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt.
Matthew 18:28 "But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred 4denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, `Pay back what you owe.'
Matthew 18:29 "So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, `Have patience with me and I will repay you.'
Matthew 18:30 "But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed.
Matthew 18:31 "So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened.
Matthew 18:32 "Then summoning him, his lord said to him, `You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me.
Matthew 18:33 `Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?'
Matthew 18:34 "And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.
Matthew 18:35 "My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart." 1. Early mss do not contain this v 2. Late mss add against you 3. A talent was worth more than fifteen years' wages of a laborer 4. The denarius was a day's wages
Transcript of Service
A few weeks, said things that he teaches.
Today's lesson if you will from Jesus doesn't have to do with anything about love per say, but I want to use that as an example of what I'm about to say.
As I tell you the scripture sell us that we're love one another as we love ourselves and as I tell you for me. That's a high bar because I love myself, so much. I take me. Wherever I go. I laugh at all my jokes. And when I think something is right, I think is right now. Most of you know that I have taken a couple of doctrinal positions that is somewhat. Contrary to the current evangelical views, although not.
Inconsistent with historical Christianity.
Today is well it's not a doctrine for say it is something that I depart and don't think it's talking about.
And it has been so much a part of.
Evangelical Christianity that when I tell you this, you'll be surprised and so I'm going to allow you to be shocked for awhile and to think about it and we can discuss it later.
There are times when I have to come up with these different.
Opinions if you will uh which is again not only contrary to current evangelical thinking. But even in our bibles, so if you have your Bible and you're looking at Matthew Chapter 18, starting with verse 15 just above that at least in my Bible. There's a big bold 3 words.
Now Matthew did right, OK, I'm gonna talk about disciple discipline an prayer the.
Translators of Matthew said. Well, I'm going to help you because you may not know where these parts are so if you quickly flip through and you see the bowl printing OK. That's what I want to read about and so it helps you. However, I don't believe they are always right.
Wow, the Holy Spirit.
Dictated if you will Matthew what we need to see in the Scriptures.
The translators and those who are trying to help us out.
Aren't necessarily guided by?
Holy Spirit, so when you see it says discipline in prayer. I don't think.
Is talking about prayer?
I'll show you why I don't think so, and notice again. I said, I don't think so, it allows me to to hear your arguments to say.
Maybe I'm wrong, but as I told you I'm tend to be.
When I become confident of something.
I'm confident of it.
So, in Matthew 18 verse 15 uhm.
These these scriptures are some of the scriptures that are frequently quoted either verbatim or lease the.
Address in many bylaws of churches, Denny went church discipline because this is the model of how to deal with church discipline. So it says if your brother sins.
Here's the key it's gotta be your brother. It's mean that's not the world.
You talk about sinning it's not talking about doing things you don't agree with.
If your brother sins go and show him, his fault in private.
If he listens to you, you have one your brother. Now we already don't do this.
Trying to think of a name if Mortimer we don't have a morning. We're here. If Mortimer sins. What is it that we do, we go and tell everybody else more diverse in?
Can you believe that Mortimer did that?
How dare Moreover do that?
But that's not what the scripture says the scripture says if mortar bursins you go to Mortimer.
You don't go to everybody else and decide OK with whatever, so the first step in correcting a brother who is singing. It's a go to him individually and privately you don't go pray for me as I go to Mortimer because they gotta do. No, you go to Mortimer privately. You don't develop a prayer group.
Is that a private?
Often times our prayer requests aren't prayer request there a way to do gossip gossip.
Well, it wasn't gossip I was asking the church to pray for them.
Well then you could have said I have an unspoken request.
Church doesn't need to know.
So you go to your brother and private step one.
That's the extent of it an if you convince your brother to stop sinning you've won him.
It should be appreciative of it, but if he does not listen to you take one or 2 more with you so that by the mouth of two or 3 witnesses every fact, maybe confirmed.
Again, this is kind of the scriptural.
Burden of proof is not only my opinion that you're sending my brother. But it's these 2 or 3 other witnesses who agree with Maine that your life is not.
Consistent with the gospel.
You need to change.
And if he refuses to listen to them tell it to the church notice. It's after the 3rd attempt. You make 2 attempts to 3rd attempt now. You tell the church. Mortimer is sinning we need to do something about this. And if he refuses to listen even to the church. Let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
What the scriptures is teaching is?
The Jews use the thing that Gentiles and tax collectors were worse than worse they were terrable centers. You don't even want to be associated with them because their sin may rub off on you so Jesus is saying if your brother refuses to listen even to the church, then you're too, and essence.
To use a word at Baptist tend not to use.
He's considered like excommunicated.
Does it mean if you're if you're no longer member First Baptist Church going to hell? It means we're not going to deal with you anymore. We've turned our backs on you.
Now in case you think that that's tough.
Paul wrote the very same thing to the church at Corinth.
There was a young man.
Who was having an affair with his father's wife?
And the church tolerated it.
And Paul said that something even the Gentiles don't do you need to, if you will accident you need to treat him as a center and a tax collector?
And when the church did that we find in the following letter of Paul that he repented and came back, you see the whole point of discipline isn't to punish you but to get you to see the error of your way and to return to Jesus?
Is not for punishment for punishment state? It's to get you to repent?
And then Jesus says something that he said before.
Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall have been bound in Heaven and whatever you loose on Earth shall have been loose in Heaven, now everybody. I've ever heard about this, who tried to develop.
Doctrine Anne Anne approaches to life.
Reverse the wording.
They always say whatever you bind on Earth is going to be bound in heaven that is not what Jesus said.
He said whatever is bound in heaven shall be bound on Earth.
Is in essence like when Jesus taught us to pray? He says Lord May. You will be done on earth as it is in heaven. You see Earth doesn't bind Heaven Heaven binds Earth.
And so Jesus is saying when you make this decision. Its argument made in heaven. This person has been either bound or loosened.
Because it's a heavenly command, not an earthly obligation.
And then now he's going to say something where everybody thinks he's talking about prayer, but notice again. The context is discipline and then again. Again, I say to you.
He's saying again I say to you, which means to Maine. The clear language means he still talking about discipline. He's not change the topic.
Again, I say to you if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask it shall be done for them by my father, who is in heaven.
He is saying when you make the decision as a church.
To determine that this brother has sent to the point that he will not listen to the church.
That God will do what you ask.
It's not Oh if I.
And, which is the current thing you can hear all kinds of TV people and all kinds of things that will talk about if 2 or 3 of us agree on something God's got to do it says who?
I'm not God God is not bound to determine and do what I tell him to do I do? What he tells me to do?
And it doesn't matter if we have a majority. I'll give you an example.
There were 12 slide that was sent out to look at the promised land.
The majority said, are we should go.
There were 2 the minority, said, Yeah, we should because God gave it to us.
The minority was correct not the majority.
God is not bound by boat.
God is sovereign.
Or where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name. I am there in their midst.
When you come as a church to make decisions like this. Jesus is present just as he is.
In our congregation when we've gathered together in his name. It has nothing to do with prayer as everything to do with being a church.
I know I'm outside what most people say, Oh, if we just we just name it and claim it and we just get a couple of people to speak it out. It's going to happen. And I'm frankly don't see that in the Scriptures.
Now I'm willing to be wrong.
If somehow me and one other person can agree to get God to do something it's time for it.
'cause there's all kinds of times, I like God to do what I wanted to do.
But my reading of the scriptures.
Say that he's God.
And I'm his child.
Now he's going to talk Jesus going to talk on a different subject because the subject came up.
Is now no longer talking about church discipline because Peter is going to ask him a question?
So I agree with the little black wording this is forgiveness.
Then Peter came and said to him Lord.
How often show my brother San against Maine and I forgive him?
Up to 7 Times Now notice.
This Elise is a follow-up question.
Because the brother is sin.
But the problem is sin is against God.
You may do something to harm me to hurt Maine.
Sin is against God as David said against you only and only you have, I sent.
There, I his wife, even though he had a murdered even though he lied about even though he did a lot of terrible things it was God that he sinned against.
But Peter goes OK Jesus we've dealt with this one and he comes back. How often should I forgive him up and I'm sure Peter thinking. I'm going to show how spiritual I am I'm going to say up to 7 times because you know after all, Peter probably has the same attitude, I do.
That is hurt me once shame on you hurt me twice shame on main I'm not giving you the second opportunity.
But that ain't scriptural.
So Peter goes OK, so, so my brother. He's gonna send against Maine harmonies. So is it OK. If I do it. Some so the eight time that's it boom.
And Jesus does what Jesus does.
In Jesus said to him. I do not say to you up to 7 times, but up to 70, * 7.
I want you to square root the whole thing.
I want you to to be so forgiving of your brother that you don't actually count the times.
Forgiveness is not keeping score so let's face it, let's say.
Jesus was actually using an actual number.
Then we would be like husband and wife.
Forgive me, I forgive you. That's one forgive me. I forgive you. That's to forgive me. I forgive you. That's three and we keep numbering that's not forgiveness.
That's keeping score.
So that Peter an you and me, my gear with Jesus is talking about. He says it's gonna tell him a parable.
For this reason, the Kingdom of Heaven maybe compared to a King.
Who wish to settle accounts with his slaves?
Notice is slaves, he owns them.
It's not his workers is not his employees it's his slaves.
And when he had begun to settle them one who had owed him 10,000 talents is brought him now reread that and we have no clue what a talent is and I can tell you whatever.
In that particular economy what we're talking about is about $12,000,000 then.
If you were to take hold of it inflation. All that we're probably talking billions.
But let's go back to 12 million dollars that say that he owes.
The King, $12,000,000 in a society that you were.
If you were an average worker Umeda Dinari, a day.
1st it's incredible that the King allowed the slave to be that indebted SH, which shows you how rich the King is.
That this slave owes him at that time in life, 12 million dollars or so.
But since he did not have the means to repay and very few people do you Julie have to be A King to have that kind of money?
His Lord commanded him to be sold along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made? Which means that if he sold everything.
He would come up really, really, really, really, really short.
The debt versus what this is going to repay is minimal.
So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying have patience with me and I will repay you everything liar.
There's no way that this guy is going to be able to repay 12 million dollars.
In our society where we make more money. Let's face it, we're not going to make $12,000,000.
But he said, just have patience and I'll do it.
Is this face at the prospect of? He and his wife and his kids going to prison was not a good thought.
And the Lord of that slave felt compassion.
And released him and forgave him the debt.
You see how merciful this King is.
That this person is so indebted and there is no prospect of him ever re pain.
Now notice Jesus is talking about.
That the Kingdom and what it's like.
Which means our father?
Is so rich that we can get really indebted to him?
And he is so filled with compassion and mercy that he can forgive us all our death.
All the sins that we've committed against him.
So you would think that that slave after having been forgiven. A tremendous amount of money and you would think us after having been given or given a tremendous indebtedness of sin.
That, it would change us.
But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him 100 denarii.
100 and area is basically 100 days wages.
It's something that you could pay back.
It's not an excessive it's a big debt, but it's not an excessive debt is something that could be accomplished.
But as they went out and found the one of his fellow slaves in Odem honored in our and he sees him and began to choke him, saying pay back what you owe.
Not only does he tried to get the money, but he does so forcibly he's choking the guy.
Not writing a strongly worded letter from his lawyer.
He's physically abusing the person to say uh pay me back.
So his fellow slaves.
Well to the ground and began to plead with him, saying have patience with Maine and I will repay you.
He said the very same thing.
That the first slave did.
But yet this slave could possibly repay.
The other side there is no repayment possible.
But he was unwilling and went and threw him into prison until he should pay back what was owed.
Even in our modern society when we put somebody in prison.
And they make license plates or whatever, they do. They pay them something for that. And when they get out of prison they give them some money?
But you make a whole lot more money if you're not in prison.
If this guy really wanted to be paid back, he should have let the guy.
Stay out of prison.
But you see how hate works.
That, it even corrupts your own best interests.
So I threw him into prison.
So when his fellow slaves solved what had happened. They were deeply grieved and came and reported it to their Lord all that had happened.
In summoning him, his Lord said to him.
You wicked sleigh.
You evil person.
It's not about you.
Indented slave it's you wickets Lee.
I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave in the same way that I had mercy on you.
The question is really striking.
You're my slave, he's my slave. I forgave you. You two are in the same boat. You're both slaves. You should have had more mercy on each other than me as King on you.
And his Lord moved with anger.
Handed him over not to the prison but to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.
Now I find this interesting.
How much money do you get being tortured?
Zip zero nada.
Which means it's going to be a very long lifetime?
To be repaid through torture 12 million dollars.
Now the scary birth.
My heavenly father will also do the same to you.
If each of you.
Does not forgive his brother from your heart?
We love to talk about how Jesus has forgiven us.
We love to talk about all the sins that we've committed.
Past present and future that Jesus will forgive as he died on the cross for us.
And it is true.
But you will be able to know if you received that forgiveness.
By whether you forgive others.
And if you find in your heart, not to forgive others. Then you're not going to be forgiven there is a this or that.
You forgive I forgive.
The amount you forgive his infant testable compared to what I forget.
If I forgive.
All that you have send.
I expect in return that you forgive your brothers.
And notice is not with word only is that Oh I forgive you.
As we have a tendency to do that.
Somebody will do something.
And well and they may even ask for forgiveness and we say, I forgive you.
And then 3 days, 3 months, 30 years from then they do something.
And they say.
Forgive me, I well, I remember when you did that and Ivory.
You're still keeping score.
Because I have been forgiven.
It is not about you, it's about him and me.
He forgave main it is no big deal for me to forgive you.
I consider myself a reasonably brave person, although I don't know I've never been in a battle of people shooting at Main. I've never been and where you see some of the movies where people will try to torture people for information and some of them.
Don't do it.
I don't know if either kind of guts or not.
I might just.
Spill the beans in.
What do you want to hear I'll tell you don't know but I do know this?
I don't God torturing me.
That is not a good day.
Very good eternity.
So, in my own best interests.
It is in my own best interest to forgive you.
So that I may be forgiven.
And I'm here to say it is in your own bessinger.
people will say in it is true and believe in singing there's a part of the song that says if you don't forgive it impacts you more than it does the person that you're not forgiving and psychologically that has some truth and whatever.
But there's a very spiritual truth here.
You don't forgive you not being forgiven.
To me that's more important.
I don't want the psychological baggage.
But I don't want to theological baggage either.
I want nothing to separate me from God's love.
And if you and I are brothers and sisters and we're in this together.
The last thing we need is have something that keeps us apart.
Because we are in this together.
You see the world doesn't care about.
What does it say when we don't care about each other?
Not only do we need to forgive one another.
But we need to, or give it from the heart, which means from the entire being of who we are.
The scriptures tell us.
The one God Forgives us, our sins as far as the East is from the West.
Our attitude should be when our brother comes the second time to seek forgiveness and they say. I know that I messed up before.
That we would honestly say I don't remember.
'cause My God, has forgiven me, so much that he doesn't hold account he doesn't recall.
And I'm going to be like, my father. I don't hold account and I don't remember.
I just know that you're my brother, you're my sister. We're in this together and we're gonna worship. The king of Kings and Lord of Lords because of how merciful he is.
And if he can forgive millions and billions.
I can forgive more than.
Is simply this?
If you've been holding onto something.
Don't wait for them to say.
Forgive them now.
And forgive them, the next time and the next time and the next time.
This what God does.
It's because it's in your best interest and all gods people said.